Caller describes seeing their own spirit during an out-of-body experience
[name withheld] from Auckland, New Zealand, tells Art Bell they often have out-of-body experiences and once saw their own ghost. They say part of them separated while their vision stayed in their physical body, and they saw themselves walking across the room from a third-person view. They report no lasting effect and say they have had more hair-raising experiences.
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The story as told
The caller, who identifies themselves as [quote withheld] tells the host they have [quote withheld] The caller says they often have out-of-body experiences and [quote withheld] The caller explains that people who often have out-of-body experiences [quote withheld] and that this happens to them often. In this event, [quote withheld] and they say they saw something they describe as “watery” while their vision stayed in their physical body. The host puts it into his own words: the caller saw their spiritual self leave their body, and saw it from inside their own body. The caller agrees and says, [quote withheld] The host asks if that stopped the caller from doing that. The caller says no, they have had [quote withheld] though this one was unusual, and [quote withheld] The host says it would have stopped him cold and thanks the caller. No further details about date, setting, or other witnesses are given.
Reported events, in order
- 0:05
The caller identifies themselves as [name withheld] from Auckland, New Zealand.
- 0:12
They say they often have out-of-body experiences and once glimpsed their own ghost.
- 0:40
They say people who often have out-of-body experiences can sometimes get stuck in their corporeal or physical body.
- 0:49
They say part of them separated while their vision stayed in their body.
- 0:59
They say they saw something they describe as “watery” while their vision stayed in their physical body.
- 1:13
They say they saw themselves walking across the room from a third-person view.
- 1:28
They say the experience did not stop them and they have had more hair-raising experiences.
- 1:35
The host thanks the caller and ends the call.
Claims
Each claim is labeled as something the person telling the story noticed (observation), what they made of it (interpretation), something others told them (hearsay), or something the host said (host statement).
- observation· 0:12
The caller says they often have out-of-body experiences and once caught a glimpse of their own ghost.
- interpretation· 0:40
The caller says people who often have out-of-body experiences can sometimes get stuck in their corporeal or physical body.
- observation· 0:49
The caller says a part of them separated while their vision stayed in their body.
- observation· 0:59
The caller says they saw something they describe as watery.
- observation· 1:13
The caller says they saw themselves walking across the room from a third-person view.
- host statement· 1:03
The host describes the event as the caller seeing their spiritual self, from inside their own body, leaving their body.
- host statement· 1:55
The host describes the event as a body with no spirit watching its own spirit leave.
Scores, with reasons
An AI model gave these scores using a fixed set of scoring rules (scoring-v1). They are editorial judgments and rough guides, not the odds that anything paranormal happened. How scoring works.
A firsthand but very brief story with few details that can be checked. It holds together, but common ordinary explanations are not addressed.
Evidence for and against
- Firsthand, direct witness (the caller says they saw it themselves).
- Answers the host’s clarifying questions consistently.
- A named location is given: Auckland, New Zealand.
- No date, setting, duration, or sensory detail beyond “watery.”
- No alternative explanations considered.
- Very short, about two minutes.
- Several lines are partly unintelligible or mislabeled, for example the “watery” passage.
- The labels showing who is speaking may be wrong.
- 0:05
- 1:13
What the model inferred (not said on air): I judge source proximity high but specificity and calibration low. The easy dream or seeing-one’s-double explanation keeps the alternative-explanations component low.
The story rests solely on the caller’s word. There are no records, no physical evidence, and no second witness on air.
Evidence for and against
- The caller gives a name and city: [quote withheld]
- No documentation, photograph, recording, or checkable detail.
- No second witness speaks on air.
- No date or precise location.
- None beyond the general brevity of the story.
- 0:12
What the model inferred (not said on air): No independent check is possible from the transcript, so evidence strength is near the bottom of the range.
The idea of watching one’s own spirit walk across the room is mildly unsettling. But the story is brief and not threatening, and the caller treats it as unusual, not horrifying.
Evidence for and against
- Seeing one’s own ghost or spirit.
- A third-person view of oneself.
- The host describes it as realizing [quote withheld]
- No evil intent or threat.
- No physical contact or harm.
- The caller says it hasn’t stopped them.
- The “watery” detail is unclear and may change the picture.
- 0:12
- 1:55
What the model inferred (not said on air): I score this as mild eeriness, not lasting dread, because the telling has no threat or building tension.
Out-of-body experiences and ghostly doubles are familiar motifs. But watching one’s own spirit walk across the room from a third-person view is a somewhat distinctive detail.
Evidence for and against
- A third-person view of one’s own spirit.
- A mix of an out-of-body experience and seeing one’s own ghost.
- Out-of-body experiences and seeing one’s double are a recurring paranormal motif.
- No unusual setting or additional strange events.
- Comparison with the rest of the archive cannot be done here. The score is a provisional estimate from the content.
- 1:13
What the model inferred (not said on air): I place it slightly above stock because of the seeing-oneself angle, but not high because the core idea is common.
Scoring confidence 0.55 · analysis confidence 0.65 · checked against outside sources: no · evidence available: The caller’s firsthand story.; No physical evidence.; Nothing on air to back it up.. The originality score blends the model's score (55) with how rare the story's details are across the archive. This method is still provisional.
Ordinary explanations to consider
These are possibilities only. None is a finding about what happened.
- Seeing one’s own double, or dream images, during a sleep-related state. · The caller says [quote withheld] and describes a third-person view, which can happen when people see their own double.
- Sensations while falling asleep or waking up, linked to sleep or relaxation. · They say they [quote withheld] which suggests sleep-related out-of-body experiences, though the transcript does not say they were asleep.
What stands out
The caller reports not just an out-of-body experience but watching their own spirit walk across a room from a third-person view while their vision stayed in their physical body. The story is unusually brief and has no setting, date, or aftermath.
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